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Poster: ducats Date: Jan 25, 2007 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: to Tell or not

William - being the PhD in lit (hope I got the right poster) I assume you will read the just found Otto Frank letters?

SDH - u should read them as well - then join the Rasta man and myself.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 25, 2007 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: to Tell or not

I appreciate that compliment, but no, although I am a PHD, it is not in literature (evolutionary biology). Arbuthnot, even Dire, the good doctors, and of course, our own Rob across the pond do have formal training in this subject, I believe, and their posts and we readers are the better for it.

I am aware that ltrs have been published--but have not read them; I am curious as to why you recommend that literature, and how that will allow SDH & I to join you and Rasta/Charlie? You do mean the Otto Frank as in Anne's dad? Or do I have it wrong?

Thanks again.

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Poster: ducats Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: to Tell or not

I was busting your balls regarding the war thread you (although now I'm thinking it was Rob-who knows,does'nt matter), Rasta and SDH had the other day. I did not read the letters but imagined they could stear someone to our (my) side.
I don't want to get into the politics (I was taught to leave it alone even among friends) but I guess can't help myself;
I'll even give you (not agreeing-just acquiescing) Bush is an idiot - that just makes my point - even an idiot figured out the difference between right and wrong. All the whack job had to do was let the inspectors do their jobs.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: to Tell or not

cosmicharlie went intersteller and got sucked into a big black hole, (not to be confused with a hollow hole) ....never to return (except for a good Darkstar at chatzy)
I'm trying to teach SDH on that fine American Whiskey...Kesslers-"Smooooth as Silk"
That trumps politics or religion! :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 25, 2007 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: to Tell or not

All right you two; I am little slow on the uptake, but I pick up on some of the essence you both have to offer. Trust me, though I am quite the military historicist, and thus your Frank ltrs caught my interest, Ducats, I am one that is very reluctant to ever endorse a military 'solution' (there's an oxymoron, again). I also recognize that there are truly evil individuals in the world today, and in spite of our desire for a connection and solution based entirely on non violence, it is not always possible.

But enough of arm chair theorizing as to geo political, military vs civil disobedience approaches to conflict resolution...keep me posted.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: to Tell or not

Speaking as someone who makes what might laughingly be called a living out of books I fully support anything that gets people out there picking up a book and reading it. A good book is one of life's greatest pleasures. You can tell just by reading his posts that SDH is a man who definitely gets that.

Are these Otto Frank letters of which you speak some new ones that they found? I know there was a collection published a few years ago.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 25, 2007 9:25am
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When I was growing up I was kind of a "loner" I guess (would have made a good serial killer back in the day: "He always kept to himself, never bothered anybody") and books were my escape. I got the love of reading from my father who was also an English Major (who a couple of years ago completed his Masters in history from Harvard, not bad for a 72 year old). If I recall correctly, my first real eye-opener came when I stumbled across the Lord of the Rings trilogy in my house when I was about 11. Started it and could not stop. After that, I just went from book to book, not sticking with any one "style" or author. Mysteries, Spy Novels, Horror, Science Fiction, History...whatever, as long as the author could draw me in. Always wished I could have become a novelist, or something similar, but I am quite content with the joy I can still get from a good book. Just like I always wish I could have become an accomplished musician, but am more than happy with the enjoying the work of others.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 10:07am
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SDH - I suspect you and I have a rather similar outlook on life. Parental exploits aside (and my very sincere, if belated, congratulations to your father on completing his masters, I recognise a lot of myself in what you say. The Lord of the Rings swept me up early on too and I also tend to move effortlessly from one genre to another, going from PG Wodehouse to Stephen King to Umberto Eco to whatever catches my eye today. The first thing I think when I finish a good book is 'Wow - that was wonderful. Now what can I read next?'

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 25, 2007 10:13am
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I always know its good when I get depressed when I finish one. Good ones always leave me wanting more.

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Poster: acetboy Date: Jan 25, 2007 10:29am
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This post was modified by acetboy on 2008-05-30 01:57:20

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2007-01-25 18:29:45

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 25, 2007 10:24am
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I think that's why I love books in a series, if it's really good I know that as soon as I finish one, I can move right on to the next. It does make is suck a little more when you've gone through the last one though.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 25, 2007 11:43am
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Been away for a few hrs but had to chime in; I am very much more of a 'historical' (non fiction) reader, and am always amazed at the fact that straight up, well written historical accounts of significant events (Troy; Marathon; Carthage; 1066; 1492; Trafalgar; etc., etc., etc.) can leave you just as moved and just as depressed (in a 'good' way).

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 25, 2007 11:59am
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That's why I love both. And when you've got a fictional story that takes place in the midst of factual historical events, even better. The Aubrey-Martin series of novels by Patrick O'Brian are excellent examples of this (where the film Master & Commander came from).

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2007-01-25 19:59:37

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: to Tell or not

So what's by your bedside at the moment? I'm reading Redemption Song (The Joe Strummer biography) - and Umberto Eco's The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana. I seldom have just one book on the go at any time.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:44pm
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You'll love this. I'm reading Marine Sniper: The Carlos Hathcock Story. Biography of one of the Marines most decorated snipers from Vietnam. Yup, I've got a soft spot for military literature. Maybe not Milton, but its a hell of a good story. Also going is The Last Templar. The story itself is kind of hokey (very derivative of DaVinci Code), but I've always been fascinated by the historical Knights Templar story. Stuff that good can't be made up.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:53pm
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Did you ever read Chuck Yeager's autobiography? Damned if I can recall what it was called but it's one hell of a yarn. Ace fighter pilot in WW2, escaping on foot across occupied Europe, dogfighting the first jet fighter - oh yeah and breaking the sound barrier for the first time.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 25, 2007 6:11pm
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He shot down five German planes on a single mission.

"It's the man, not the machine," he always said...

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 25, 2007 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: to Tell or not

I have heard of this; I'll be sure to add it to my growing list of thing to read. When the time comes to finally retire (I figure I'll be 83 the way things are going), I plan on doing nothing but read for the rest of my days. Thre is nothing I enjoy better than a well written book, essay, poem, sonnet, play, whatever. My English degree might not be worth alot in the "working" world, but it sure has given me a deeper appreciation for the incredible power and beauty the written word can convey when utilized by a gifted story teller.

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Poster: ducats Date: Jan 25, 2007 7:54am
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not being well read I admire u.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 25, 2007 8:03am
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If you've ever read a book and been touched by it on ANY level, your are indeed "well read". It's the same as with the Dead. In my opinion all you need to be a "Head" is to have heard a show, or even just a song, and been moved by it. How many shows you've seen or tapes you have (sorry, files) makes no real difference. Loving books and loving the Dead both boil down to just "getting it".

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Poster: ducats Date: Jan 25, 2007 8:21am
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never finished one - maybe I have ADD?

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Poster: Cranky1 Date: Jan 25, 2007 8:04am
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Yay books!! All the experience of the world waiting to be picked over. Just got through a reread of some Dickens and Joseph Conrad. Did a first time read of Jack London's "Martin Eden". Great book!

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Jan 25, 2007 8:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: to Tell or not

love to read ,came across this a few weeks ago,check it out and enjoy,fine artwork to go with the reading. http://www.netnik.com/khayyam/

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 25, 2007 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: to Tell or not

Omar is the man, the ladies love Omar. The ladies also love Kahlil Gibran. Always served me well to have a copy of The Prophet next to the bed.

If you like Omar or Kahlil and similar poets, Van Morrison has a tune called Rave On John Donne that is more of a spoken essay about these authors that is just gorgeous:

Rave on John Donne, rave on thy Holy fool
Down through the weeks of ages
In the moss borne dark dank pools

Rave on, down through the industrial revolution
Empiricism, atomic and nuclear age
Rave on down through time and space down through the corridors
Rave on words on printed page

Rave on, you left us infinity
And well pressed pages torn to fade
Drive on with wild abandon
Uptempo, frenzied heels

Rave on, Walt Whitman, nose down in wet grass
Rave on fill the senses
On nature's bright green shady path

Rave on Omar Khayyam, Rave on Kahlil Gibran
Oh, what sweet wine we drinketh
The celebration will be held
We will partake the wine and break the Holy bread

Rave on let a man come out of Ireland
Rave on on Mr. Yeats,
Rave on down through the Holy Rosey Cross
Rave on down through theosophy, and the Golden Dawn
Rave on through the writing of "A Vision"
Rave on, Rave on, Rave on, Rave on, Rave on, Rave on

Rave on John Donne, rave on thy Holy fool
Down through the weeks of ages
In the moss borne dark dank pools

Rave on, down though the industrial revolution
Empiricism, atomic and nuclear age

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Jan 25, 2007 8:56am
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i'm new to omar but i like what i've read so far,look forward to finding and reading more of his work.gotta check out that van song when i get home from work,thanks for the tip gotta go big boss man is making the rounds at work.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:37pm
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Insightful; my mom gave my wife and I the Prophet when we got married in 1980...

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:40pm
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She must have been looking to get you going on the grandkid production.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:43pm
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and then there is an excellent book called "The Sleeping Prophet" on the extrodinary life of Edgar Cayce.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 3:18pm
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This one's got a fun picture:

http://www.netnik.com/khayyam/ruby17.html